Posts by All or nothing

56

Biblical incidents that bothered me.

by EverApostate in

i wanted to discuss the (supposed) biblical events that disturbed me a lot when i was a jw.

these incidents were just read and discussed in the kingdom hall as if these are normal and justified, which clearly weren't.

perhaps this led to my awakening.

All or nothing

The census account always bothered me for 2 reasons:

shouldnt David have paid the price, not the people?

also- isn't us being forced to turn in time - the same as this census thing?

40

Faced with the reality of mortality

by stuckinarut2 in

how have you all coped with facing the reality of our mortality?.

most of us were raised to firmly believe we would never get old or die... so here we are now having to face the reality that are getting older... we are going to die.. sometimes it really pisses me off that we were never helped to comprehend this most basic of facts.

we were given a utopian dream as a "fact", and hence never taught how to face our inevitable futures.... thoughts?.

All or nothing

When I first learned TTATT I felt cheated, devastated, sad and depressed. Now, several years later I choose to live each day to the full and not live for some future false promise. The real challenge now is the delusional still in family that are still believing the false nonsense. I cringe when they talk in the cult lingo. I can tell they are experiencing cognitive dissonance but have to be careful what to say, not to out myself. It's bad enough that we have to face the reality of our mortality...but to deal with our still in family not knowing or prepared to deal with their mortality is going to be a difficult road...

28

Why I lost my religion

by Sour Grapes in

i was a jw for over 50 years and recently just stopped cold turkey going to the meetings.

years of sitting at the meetings with the boredom, the gloom and doom, repetition of doctrine, the gloom and doom, the fake love, the gloom and doom, the end being so close, do more - do more, just got to be too much for me to stomach.

i stopped praying to god and no longer thank god for the food before i eat.

All or nothing

I never could accept the explanation from the GB about why god permits suffering. Your reasoning on it has been almost my exact thoughts. I used to think if I am aware of only 1 tiny injustice that happens and it upsets and effects my deeply how does our loving father watch 24-7 injustices and not stop it. Hasn't every form of human government already been attempted? The usual jw canned answer is that he will make right all those injustices and he has perfect justice. Well that never brought me any comfort...

6

Does anyone remember Bryan Bush – CO in western PA back in the late 1980’s?

by My Name is of No Consequence in

he was the first co that i remember growing up.

what ever happened to him?.

All or nothing

I do remember them, don't know anything about their warabouts

10

Going To The Meetings Because You Were Obligated To

by minimus in

jw
friends

do you remember going to the meetings because you had to??

there were times when you were sick or definitely under the weather or perhaps you were exhausted physically and or mentally, and you were still required to go to the meetings!

even during inclement weather you had to go.

All or nothing

When I cold turkey stopped going...I thought I would miss it...2 years later...don't miss it AT ALL- I think that is why they force the habit of going because they know once your experience the joy of not having the obligation then u never return

32

Watchtower Study Today from August 2017 issue " Wait Patiently"

by BluesBrother in

theme scripture , james 5 v 8 abbreviated to " you too, exercise patience".

(i guess we know what to expect now) .

" how long?

All or nothing

I find it despicable that they change what they said digital so if u threw out those bound volumes and wanted to research all the indoctrination u were force fed as a kid...too bad because your cd rom or web site research will not produce what used to be...super bait and switch move, unfortunately we all made life decisions on those lies🤔😳😡

34

Waking up to TTATT: Blessing or Curse?

by Jules Saturn in

if you take the red pill, you'll have knowledge, you'll be awakened, aware of reality, you'll have freedom.. if you take the blue pill, you stay in your bubble, wearing rose colored glasses, and feel security in an illusion.. taking the red pill isn't something that's easy to do.

to accept that everything around you is an illusion built up on lies or half truths.

but hey, it might feel good to be aware and break free from this illusion.

All or nothing

"Well I'll be completely honest, I feel like I've always had doubts, like for me it was hard to be convinced that I was in the one true religion and try to convince people of that through field service. But I've always had questions, I was always questioning stuff"

i can can relate to the above quote, I remember when I was pioneering we had a bible student asking how many students we converted to the religion and we had a big Zero! THIS really bothered me because you wonder in jw speak why the Angels weren't helping us get success! Being born in I was always wondering about certain loopholes like i would call them. Why could pioneers count time on quick builds but not regular publishers? Why was the standards to progress different in different congregations? Why is there a spiritual ladder ppl are climbing? Where is this love that is the supposed identifier of the true religion?? WHAT the H was brother Morris THINKING about that RANT at the annual meeting 2 or 3 years ago...baffling. Well we all woke up and it's time to live in the present and enjoy our REAL LIFE NOW!!!!!

40

How Are Ex Elders Treated In The Congregation?

by minimus in

jw
friends

are they pretty much left alone?

are they respected for their having been elders at one time?

are they treated like crap?.

All or nothing

The elders in the congregation my husband used to be an elder in, wouldn't even look at him or speak to him after he served there 8 plus years. Hypocrites! At some point he was fed up and so disgruntled that he told me there was no need for him to go there to be treated like he was invisible. He didn't do anything to not be serving, some sort of mix up when we moved to serve a local congregation that needed our help, that I can't reveal details without possible outing us. No one - his formal elder buddies...would stick out their selfish necks to help him so they just thought the loving thing to do is just ignore him till we went away- so we did. Their unloving behavior served to wake me up- so thank you selfish bastards!

27

An honest question for those who were "born-in"

by stuckinarut2 in

just wanted to ask a question of those who were born in as i was.. how did you feel to have been "privileged to have been born into the only true faith - the truth"?.

did this make you feel confident, or proud - or perhaps arrogant?.

how did you reconcile the fact that 99% of the earth's population was not born "into the truth"?.

All or nothing

I did feel "priviledged" to have been born in and have the wonderful hope for the future that I whole heartedly believed up until 4 years ago. I also felt that with priviledge comes responsibility to help as many as I can learn about our wonderful hope. I seriously was such a hook line and sinker perfect jw. It seemed so simple to me, scriptures like Mathew 24:14. Live your life the best way you can, following bible principles like treat others the way you want to be treated, put kingdom interests first...etc etc. I never believed a loving god will kill so many innocent people and unbeknownst to me that was my first doubt... I remember clearly at age 4 sincerely asking my mother if I could take my baby doll with me at the great tribulation. Looking back I mourn the childhood I never had...how cruel to fill children with all that FOG. One thing that has always been a problem for me even when I was a really hard core perfect JW was this oppressive idea to live for this unknown future date of the end of the world, not knowing if it was next week, next month, next year or my case at the end of the 1900's, next century,lol. Not being able to make plans for your future, waiting to start your life- this elledged "real" life they always speak of, I realize how ridiculous it all it now, but clearly remember how I was in high school and speaking with my guidance counselor, who thought I was completely bonkers not to aspire to a college degree. Well I rambled enough for now...😔

61

Saying hello for first time

by pimojw in

i have been sneakily looking at this forum, almost every day, ever since it began!

it has taken me till now to actually register and contribute.

(actually i did register with a different name in the beginning but never commented).. i am a pimo elder with a fairly long history of senior "positions" in the organization.

All or nothing

Welcome, I also lurked a long time before slowly posting, sometimes I feel like - wow someone feels EXACTLY how I feel and it's really affirming. What you said about the GB- did it start during the 3 part wt where they completely changed the core belief that they (7 obscure) men are the faithful slave- not the 144,000? I read that article 3-4 times, prayed about it, endured the wt studies on it and could not resolve the truth in those articles. I simply saw it as them taking more power on and we Lowly ones having to believe cuz they said it...thoughts?